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Consumer Review: You Want Some Scientific Research On Andro? Here It Is.
Medical Tribune
Andro Fails To Boost Testosterone
Amy Norton
[Medical Tribune 40(12):8-9, 1999. ©]

There is solid evidence that the steroid hormone androstenedione-the purported "natural alternative" to anabolic steroids-carries similar health consequences, according to the findings from the first study of the effects of the hormone in men.

And all for a hormone that neither boosts testosterone levels nor increases muscle mass, according to researchers led by Douglas S. King, Ph.D., of the department of health and human performance at Iowa State University in Ames. A precursor to testosterone that is produced in the adrenal gland and gonads, androstenedione-popularly known as andro-has been marketed legally as a "natural" way to stimulate testosterone production, thus helping users to bulk up.

But in a study of 20 men ages 19 to 29 who were placed on an eight-week resistance exercise regimen, Dr. King's team found that the half who supplemented their workouts with andro made no greater gains in muscle than did exercisers on placebo. For six of the eight weeks, the ten subjects took andro in daily doses of 300 mg-far more than the 100 mg doses typically recommended by manufacturers, according to the Iowa researchers.

More importantly, Dr. King and colleagues found that while andro failed to boost testosterone, it actually raised subjects' levels of the estrogens estradiol and estrone, and cut their levels of high-density lipoproteins (HDL). The study was funded by Golden, CO-based Experimental and Applied Sciences, an andro distributor.

In the andro group, the mean HDL level dropped 12 percent after two weeks of supplementation and remained there through the end of the study. After two weeks, subjects' serum estrone had risen from a baseline mean concentration of 106 pmol/L to 153 pmol/L; this level stood at 142 after five weeks. Estradiol increased from 220 pmol/L to 310 after two weeks of andro and stood at 280 after eight weeks. The placebo group saw no significant differences in HDL or estrogens.

This suggests, Dr. King's team reported, that "a significant proportion" of the andro was aromatized to estrogen.

So the steroid hormone sold as a dietary supplement may put users at increased risk for cardiovascular disease, pancreatic cancer, breast enlargement and, in women, breast cancer, the researchers concluded.

"I predicted this thing [andro] wouldn't work," said Charles E. Yesalis, M.P.H., Sc.D., of the department of health policy and administration at Pennsylvania State University in University Park.

Many consumers, however, lack the knowledge to make such a judgment, illustrating the problem that has accompanied the flood of unregulated supplements, herbs and extracts into the market in recent years. Physicians, according to Dr. Yesalis, need to take the initiative to find out what products patients are taking.

"Many of these things are just benign," he said. "Others are arguably drugs that could alter physiologic function."

For instance, creatine-another supplement designed to boost athletic performance-could adversely affect renal function. Megadoses of vitamins, which many people believe healthful or at least harmless, constitute another self-treatment about which physicians should question patients, he said.

Andro's status as a dietary supplement under the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994 has shielded it from regulation by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). "It should have been banned a year ago," said Dr. Yesalis, referring to andro's sudden celebrity when Mark McGwire admitted he used the supplement as a performance booster.


Response #1
I used Andro for a cycle, taking 2-3 times the recommended dosage and I have had no strength or muscle increases. In fact, this was one of the most unproductive cycles I've had in seven years of weight training. I can't even say it was a lousy brand. The company guarantees all of their products. Thank you for posting this scientific report exposing Andro for what it truly is.


Response #2
Hi, my name is Nick. I've been lifting weights on and off for five years now. In the last year, I've been doing it steady. I took andro over the course of the summer. I gained about 15lbs. lean muscle. Honestly, my body never looked better. I also gained a good amount of strength. About a week before I left for college, I discontinued the supplement. I was was ready to begin training for football at school where doubles were to be held. Well, about three weeks after I stopped using the supplement I lost more weight than I gained. Almost twenty pounds. Well that's my story. Know I'm am using small doses of creatine monohydrate and working extremely hard. The process is a bit slower, but this weight will stick. Oh, not to say that I didn't work hard before. I also changed my diet. I eat 4-6 times a day. And each meal I try to consume at least 30g of protein. I find this to be extremely effective.


Response #3
Hey Amy, if andro doesn't produce testosterone, then how come estrogen is showing up. Didn't you know that if estrogen is showing up that there is testosterone there with it? It's been proven that estrogen can't be there by itself without some amount of testosterone. So, your doctor's studies are full of it.


Response #4
No kidding lady! You need to use estrogen blockers like Dim (Di-Indolin) to prevent/lessen the aromatization of Andro into estrogen. Eating large quantities of cabbage and broccoli (natural estrogen blockers) daily is also helpful to curb the aromatization of Andro into estrogen. I would like to see the results of the same study if the subjects had also taken an estrogen blocker in conjunction with the Andro.

By the way, I have been taking 4 Androstenediol in conjunction with Di-Indolin and eating a pound or so of broccoli a day. As of yet, there has been no production of female-like breast tissue (my largest concern). Admittedly, I don't have the luxury or time of having pre and post Andro estrogen blood level tests done to see the results for myself. Maybe I should. Anyways, my gains have been really good, taking only the recommended dosage of a 100mg capsule 3 times a day. Good luck!


Response #5
The whole problem with this study is that they did not stack the andro, or better 19 nor-andro (norabol) with an estrogen converter like Chysin or an inhibitor like Dihydoxyflovone. Also, if you read the study, the doctor doing the research stated "I knew it wouldn't work," meaning that this was far from an unbiased research project. Especially since the doctors administered more than the recommended dosage, which can be dangerous for ANYTHING, even basic fat soluble vitamins. I would like to see some unbiased research, not this stuff claiming to be scientific. Thank you.

Randy T.


Response #6
Of course 100mg of andro or andro by itself isn't going to produce the strength and size that most people would like to see, if at all. I personally used 100mg of andro, 1000 mg of tribulus and 50 mg of DHEA for 1 month. I've never seen a bigger jump in size, strength and just feeling really healthy and strong. You can't do a study on just one product and say it doesn't work. Some supplements are MEANT to be used with a stack. Well, that's my beef about this subject.


Response #7
I got a chuckle out of your write-up concerning Andro and research. I use EAS Andro on a 2 week cycle on, then 2 off. I am in the last days of the 2 week cycle off and have still noticed considerable gains in muscle mass. Due to other commitments, I was unable to work out in my usual manner and could only weight lift at the end of the week. I quickly noticed that my maximum weight level had increased 40-60 pounds, even though I had time off.

Does Andro work? Sure it does. In combination with other supplements, such as creatine, the recovery period is cut. As for the anger issue, I haven't noticed it. Neither have those close to me. Your research is extremely misleading to the readers. Anyone that uses Andro for gains in mass and strength, stacks it with other supplements. It is virtually impossible to see gains from just one product as your research attempted to claim. Let the readers become educated on supplements like Andro and Creatine without having your misleading study as their guide. This is a product that actually works when stacked with other supplements.


Response #8
Did you know that the study on andro funded by EAS was completely biased and bogus. EAS makes a product called Andro 6, and if they used that product in that little study, then there is a problem. That's because Andro 6 contains not only androstenedione, but DHEA. The problem is that DHEA and ANDROSTENEDIONE both use the same pathways of conversion. SO what you have is an andro head on collision. Did you also know that since Andro 6 isn't a top selling andro product, it would be easy for them to do a bogus study concluding a biased result.

And let me ask you this. If that university study which was funded by EAS is sooo true, then why does EAS still market and sell their bogus andro product Andro 6. The fact of the matter is that andro products that do not contain DHEA work, and I know many people who concur with my conclusion. And we have the results to back it up. One other thing, since androstenedione is in and out of the human body's system in just a few hours, I wonder if during that study they tested their subjects' testosterone more than a few hours later. Then that would explain it all.


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