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| Consumer Review: The Preponderance Of Research Supports The View That The Use Of Powerful Pharmacological Agents, Much Less Herbals, To Treat Depression Is No Better Than Basic Cognitive-Behavior Support. |
Congratulations on an interesting web site with a potentially very useful theme. I admire the attempt to present an unbiased reporting of what is a topic with very little readable non-technical information that is not provided by advertisers. Even technical information is woefully inadequate for most nutritionals, both because of lack of legitimate research and glutting of the media with marketing information.
The preponderance of the outcome research at this time has supported the view that chemical treatment of depression, (even the use of powerful pharmacological agents, much less herbals) is no better than basic cognitive-behavioral support or even just finding a good friend to talk to. Except in the darkest and most severe and intractable of major depressions, where it appears we need something to jolt us out of the hopelessness trap, whether it might be drugs, ECT, or even surgery.
For a striking and unexpected perspective on why people do sometimes get exceptional and unexpected results from antidepressants, refer to the current debate on the American Psychological Association's web page. There, they discuss the recent research by Irving Kirsch and colleagues purporting that most of the effects of even Prozac may actually be attributable to "placebo" or expectation effects (http://www.apa.org/releases/debate.html).
There are many things that respond usefully to placebo effects, and to generally sound nutrition, but depression seems to be one of the most responsive, especially if it is not too severe. Whatever the actual effectiveness of St. John's Wort (which is not really well established yet, but is probably "non-zero"), it is unlikely to be nearly as effective as a good human support system, proper balance of foods, and a few simple changes from pessimistic to optimistic thinking habits (for example, see University of Pennsylvania psychologist Martin Selligman's "Learned Optimism."). There is a wealth of research data supporting this so far, except, as I mentioned, in the case of very severe chronic depression.
If there are supplements that do aid in treating depression, they would probably include not only Hypericium, but also various stimulants and bioenergetics that help give some feeling of energy to lift a depressed person out of their inactivity. Sometimes, as with PMS, there are some more specific nutritional approaches, concentrated use of serotonin precursors and well-timed carbohydrates to alter hormone balance just enough to give the sufferer a feeling of energy and control, giving her more biological freedom to change her mind set and thinking patterns during that difficult time.
Just as an aside, I think most of the use of supplements adheres to this principle to some degree. Most don't really work reliably at all, and they few that do can probably attribute much of their effectiveness to other changes being made at the same time in more basic things like stress reduction, changes in bad habits, activity levels, and nutrition. One of the most important and least acknowledged principles is that any effect at all, or even just successfully adhering to a plan, tends to give people the feeling that they have more control than they previously expected.
For example, just realizing that you have the power to stop and think a half an hour before eating, take a few pills and a glass of water, and then eat more sensibly that you ordinarily would. That gives many of us a tremendous new sense of power, even if the pills turn out to have no active function in the body. Or, to borrow a trick from a famous hypnotist, getting people to change at all, even in the "wrong" direction, gets them to realize that they have the power to change themselves by their actions. Many of the bodybuilding supplements can attribute some positive effect to this increased sense of being able to control or influence some aspect of our training.
These comments are my own, and do not reflect the views of my consulting client, SmithKline Beecham Pharmaceuticals Research and Development, who graciously provide me with computer resources for my research.
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| Response #1 |
The placebo effect is a very real phenomenon; double-blind studies using placebo and getting a low percentage of results compared to actual substances being tested are the proof of this. Every double-blind trial has a small percentage of good results with the placebo. However, as an individual suffering a very real chemical imbalance in my brain, I can assure you that the Prozac I take is not giving me a placebo effect. I have been on it for 8 years and each time I try to stop it I experience a living nightmare within 8 days. I have tried other antidepressants that were supposed to be better or just as good and I have tried natural remedies--oddly enough, I started getting my depressive symptoms back within 8 days. So I have proof it is not a placebo effect for me.
Would you say that insulin is a placebo effect? Aspirin? - which is derived from an herb like most medications. Everyone's body is different. Different things are going to work for different people and some people will not experience results. Until we can actually come up with some kind of blood test or brain scan that tells us how our brains are working chemically and what and how much of a substance they need to reduce depression/anxiety, then we are pretty much in the dark with solutions except for the tedious individual "trial and error".
Though I do not get results from St. John's Wort, my sister finds it very effective for her PMS mood swings. One more point, the anti-psychotic drugs keep people from being delusional who have that mental disorder. Is this a placebo effect? I don't think so. It saddens me to hear people criticize the use of medications or herbal substances, because people who are suffering and who might truly benefit from these substances might be dissuaded from even trying them. Although it is being done unwittingly, it is still a very cruel thing to do. Have you ever read Dr. Julian Whitaker's newsletter or Vitamin Research's Nutritional News or the host of other periodicals reporting on the research and getting people healthful solutions to physiological problems that don't bring a host of side effects?
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| If you believe that science supports the argument for the placebo effect, then how could you possibly know if the Prozac is having a positive and verifiable effect without being subjected to a double-blind study? If you believe that Prozac has a positive effect on you, then doesn't it follow that withholding the Prozac could have a negative effect on you. How do you know that the negative effect isn't a reverse-placebo effect?
Now, if you really want to know if it's having a direct physiological effect, tell your doctor to give his nurse the authority to either substitute with a placebo or continue on the Prozac as she sees fit without telling you or the doctor. Who knows, maybe you'll come back to your doctor complaining that the nurse stuck you with the placebo because you're not getting the same effect as before. At that point, he prescribes the real thing for you and 8 days later you feel great again. Just one catch, the nurse didn't give you a placebo. You were on the Prozac all along, but you believed you were on a placebo, so the Prozac didn't work anymore. All of this would be part of the placebo effect. The fact is, you'll never know until you are submitted to a double blind study testing all the different permutations of this situation.
That said, my own personal experiences with seratonen uptake inhibitors and the like have taught me that they do have different effects, but unfortunately, mostly just different side effects. I was misprescribed Serzone instead of my usual Welbutrin by the head of psychiatric outpatient treatment at a major medical center. At the time I took that first Serzone pill, I believed that it must just be the generic version of Welbutrin. I went to sleep that night feeling great about remaining on my same medication, but getting it cheaper because it was the generic version. I didn't feel too great though when I woke up at 3AM feeling like someone had connected me up to electrical current, or that little electrical charged ants were crawling all over me. I lay in bed for about an hour before I could force my swollen body out of the bedroom. I wondered out to the patio and stood there for 3 more hours watching the wind blow the limbs on the trees and the birds chirping as the sun came up, feeling mesmerized by the details of all the sensations I was feeling and drinking about 2 gallons of water in that time. So, yes, I believe that these medications can have a real, verifiable effect.
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